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6/25/10 Their money or your life: Wind Siting Council foxes review multiple choice worksheet on rules for guarding the hen house AND Wind Siting Council hearings planned for next week.
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PSC Schedules public hearings on proposed wind farm siting rules
SOURCE Fond du Lac Reporter, www.fdlreporter.com
June 25, 2010
The Public Service Commission of Wisconsin (PSC) will hold three public hearings next week, including one in Fond du Lac, on proposed uniform wind siting rules.
Once finalized, the uniform rules will set forth consistent standards for the local regulation of wind energy systems in Wisconsin, according to a PSC news release.
The hearings will be held in the Legislative Chambers of the City County Government Center, 160 S. Macy St., in Fond du Lac at 1 and 6 p.m. Monday, June 28; in Tomah on Tuesday, June 29; and in Madison on Wednesday, June 30.
Public comments offered at the public hearings will assist the PSC as it finalizes the rules.
Those attending will be able to provide oral testimony to the administrative law judge presiding at the hearing.
The hearings are wheelchair-accessible. Those requiring accommodations to participate should contact Docket Coordinator Deborah Erwin at (608) 266-3905.
Documents associated with the proposed rules can be viewed on the PSC’s Electronic Regulatory Filing System at http://psc.wi.gov/. Enter case number 1-AC-231 in the boxes provided on the PSC homepage, or click on the Electronic Regulatory Filing System button.
SECOND FEATURE:
NOTE FROM THE BPWI RESEARCH NERD:
The document below was distributed to Wind Siting Council members at Wednesday's meeting. As the majority of the council has direct or indirect financial interest in creating rules with as few restrictions as possible on the wind industry, it won't be hard for any of us to guess which boxes they will check on this multiple choice worksheet.
The Wind Siting Council is an advisory group. Ultimately the PSC commissioners will decide the final guidelines.
Wind Siting Council 6.23.10
STRAW PROPOSAL AMENDMENT WORKSHEET
Wind Energy System Sizes – General
1. Should the rules establish rules for community wind energy systems that are different than rules for small wind and large wind?
□ Yes
□ No, community wind should be treated the same as large wind
[BPWI RESEARCH NERD NOTE there was discussion among council members about the term "community wind" and what it means.
The majority of council members seemed to agree that the term "community wind" simply refers to projects of between 10 and 15 industrial scale turbines, like the Town of Glenmore project developed by Council member Bill Rakocy, which consists of several 500 foot tall turbines.
Rakocy has been vocal about wanting as few restrictions as possible on his ability to develop wind projects.
One council member commented that "community wind" was simply a 'cozy term' sometimes used to disguise the fact that these are still projects by private developers who are not obligated to benefit the community in any manner that is different than the larger projects.
Questions have been raised as to why permitting standards should be different for projects with fewer turbines.
The "community wind" guideline options in this document do nothing to prevent a larger project from breaking itself down in to a number of smaller "community wind LLCs" in order to take advantage of fewer regulations.]
2. If the rules establish a category for community wind, in what areas should the requirements for community wind be different than what is required for a large wind energy system?
□ Notification requirements
□ Application requirements
□ Mitigation requirements
□ Other ____________________________________________________
3. If the rules establish a category for community wind, how should small wind be defined?
□ A wind energy system up to 100 kW in size, whether one or more turbines
□ A wind energy system up to 300 kW in size, made up of one or more turbines each no greater than 100 kW in size
□ A wind energy system up to 500 kW in size, made up of one or more turbines each no greater than 100 kW in size
4. If the rules establish a category for community wind, how should community wind be defined?
□ Up to 2 large wind turbines (over 100 kW) owned by or where the output is used by a local resident, business, school or unit of government
□ One large turbine (over 100 kW) for personal or “community” on-site generation and/or educational purposes
□ Other ________________________________________
[NOTE FROM BPWI: During the discussion, options one and two were not considered. The council discussion about the meaning of community wind clearly concerned full sized industrial scale turbines with a project size of up to 20MW determined by MISO standards.]
5. If the rules establish a category for community wind, how should large wind be defined?
□ A wind energy system that is not a small wind energy system and is not a community wind energy system
□ Large wind should include community wind, except where otherwise specified (all rules for large wind should apply to community wind, except where otherwise noted)
Setbacks, Noise & Shadow Flicker – General
6. The rules should: (choose as many as apply)
□ Set a minimum safety setback
□ Set a noise performance standard
□ Set a shadow flicker standard
7. Should the rules require or allow for (at political subdivision’s discretion) different noise and shadow flicker performance standards for community wind v. large wind?
□ Yes, different requirements
□ Yes, allow at political subdivision’s discretion
□ No
Minimum Safety Setbacks
8. Should the rules establish a minimum safety setback?
□ Yes
□ No
9. If the rules establish a minimum safety setback, from what should the turbine be set back?
□ Nonparticipating landowner’s property line
□ Nonparticipating residence
□ Occupied community building
□ Participating residence
□ Other
10. If the rules establish a minimum safety setback from a property line, should the landowner be able to waive the property line setback?
□ Yes
□ No
□ Yes, but only for small wind turbines (up to 100 kW)
11. If the rules establish a minimum safety setback from a residence, should the landowner be able to waive the setback from the residence?
□ Yes
□ No
□ Yes, but only for small wind turbines (up to 100 kW)
12. If the rules establish a minimum safety setback, should the exact distance of the setback depend on the maximum blade tip height of the wind turbine (how tall the turbine is with its blade extended to the maximum height)?
□ Yes
□ No
13. If the rules establish a minimum safety setback from a property line, what should the distance be for a large wind turbine (over 100 kW), when measured from the center of the turbine?
□ 1.1 times the maximum blade tip height
□ _______ times the maximum blade tip height
□ 2500 feet
□ Other ___________________________________________
14. If the rules establish a minimum safety setback from a nonparticipating residence, what should the distance be for a large wind turbine (over 100 kW) when measured from the center of the turbine?
□ 1.1 times the maximum blade tip height
□ _______ times the maximum blade tip height
□ 2500 feet
□ 2600 feet
□ Other ___________________________________________
15. If the rules establish a minimum safety setback, what should the distance be for small wind turbines (up to 100 kW) when measured from the center of the turbine?
□ 1.1 times the maximum blade tip height
□ 1.0 times the maximum blade tip height
□ _______ times the maximum blade tip height
□ Other ___________________________________________
16. Should the rules require or allow for (at political subdivision’s discretion) different setback requirements for community wind?
□ Yes, different requirements: ___________________________
□ Yes, allow at political subdivision’s discretion
□ No, community wind should have the same setback requirements as large wind
□ No, community wind should have the same setback requirements as small wind
Noise – General
17. If the rules establish noise performance standards, should the rules have the same noise performance standards for all wind energy systems, small, community and large?
□ Yes
□ No
18. What type(s) of noise standards should the rules specify?
□ Setback distances only
□ Both setback distances and decibel limits
□ Decibel limits only
19. If the noise standards include decibel limits, should the decibel limits be absolute (i.e., xx dBA) or relative (i.e., ambient + yy dBA)?
□ Absolute
□ Relative
□ Both
20. If the noise standards include decibel limits, should the limits vary seasonally?
□ Yes
□ No
21. If the noise standards include decibel limits, to what should the limits apply?
□ Nonparticipating residences and occupied community buildings
□ Anywhere on a nonparticipating property
□ Other ______________________________________
22. If the noise standards include absolute decibel limits, what should the limits be?
□ 55 dBA
□ 50 dBA
□ 45 dBA on summer nights, 50 dBA at all other times
□ 45 dBA at night (year round), 50 dBA during day
□ 30 - 35 dBA
□ Other
23. If the noise standards include absolute decibel limits, should they provide for the instance when the ambient noise exceeds the absolute decibel limit imposed on the wind energy system?
□ Yes, in that case the standard should be ambient dBA plus 5 dBA
□ Yes, in that case the standard should be: __________________________________
□ No, the rules do not need to address this
24. If the noise standards include relative decibel limits, what should the limits be?
□ 5 dBA above ambient
□ 10 dBA above ambient
□ Other
25. If the noise standards include a setback distance, what should the distance be?
□ 1000 feet
□ 2500 feet
□ 2600 feet
□ Other _______________________________
26. Should the rules require use of a standard noise measurement protocol?
□ Yes, the PSC protocol
□ Yes, the PSC protocol and additional standards
□ Yes, but not the PSC protocol, instead: ___________________________
□ No
27. Should the rule require pre-construction noise testing at typical ambient sound levels?
□ Yes
□ No
28. Should the rule require post-construction noise testing at full turbine power [if this is possible]?
□ Yes
□ No
29. Should the rule require noise measurement readings in winter as well as summer?
□ Yes
□ No
Shadow Flicker – General
30. Should the Council recommend a shadow flicker performance standard as a best practice?
□ Yes
□ No
31. Should the rules require a standalone shadow flicker performance standard (performance standard only; no setback specifically designed to address shadow flicker)?
□ Yes, shadow flicker should be addressed solely by a performance standard
□ No, shadow flicker should be address by something other than just a performance standard
32. If the rules do not require a standalone shadow flicker performance standard, how should shadow flicker be addressed?
□ Shadow flicker-related setback requirement only
□ Combination shadow flicker-related setback and performance standard
□ Other _________________________________________
33. If the shadow flicker standards include a setback distance, what should the distance be?
□ 1000 feet
□ 1100 feet
□ 2500 feet
□ 2600 feet
□ Other _______________________________
34. If the rules require a shadow flicker performance standard, what type of wind energy systems should it apply to?
□ Large wind energy systems
□ Community wind energy systems
□ Small wind energy systems
35. If the rules require a shadow flicker performance standard, what must a developer do to plan to comply with the standard?
□ Existing computer modeling offers a satisfactory method of measurement at this time.
□ Existing computer modeling needs to be improved via set, uniform standards
□ Other ____________________________________________
36. If the rules require a shadow flicker performance standard, what should the standard take into account?
□ All nonparticipating landowners (whether or not a residence exists)
□ Nonparticipating residences existing at the time of the wind energy system application
□ Nonparticipating residences existing at the time of the wind energy system approval
□ Nonparticipating residences not yet constructed at the time of the application but for which a building permit has been filed prior to the wind energy system application
□ Nonparticipating residences not yet constructed at the time of the approval but for which a building permit has been filed prior to the wind energy system approval
□ Nonparticipating residences constructed after the wind energy system receives approval for which no building permit was filed prior to the wind energy system approval
□ Other _______________________________________________
37. If the rules require a shadow flicker performance standard, what should it include?
□ Properties (which would include existing and potential residences and outbuildings)
□ Existing residences only
□ Existing residences and outbuildings only
38. If the rules require a shadow flicker performance standard, what should the standard be?
□ No shadow flicker may occur on affected areas
□ Shadow flicker may not exceed 25 hours per year
□ Shadow flicker may not exceed 40 hours per year
□ Shadow flicker may not exceed 45 hours per year
□ Shadow flicker may not exceed 50 hours per year
□ Other ____________________________________
39. If the rules require a shadow flicker performance standard, can the requirement be waived by an affected landowner (i.e. for compensation)?
□ Yes
□ No
40. If the rules require a shadow flicker performance standard, to what extent should mitigation of shadow flicker be required?
□ No mitigation required; mitigation at developer’s/owner’s discretion
□ Mitigation required for exceeding ______ hours per year
□ Other __________________________________________
Siting – Other
41. Should the rules treat private airports at medical facilities used for air ambulance purposes as a public airport for purposes of establishing siting criteria around the private airport?
□ Yes
□ No
42. Should the rules require that siting requirements be science-based?
□ Yes
□ No
Mitigation – General
43. Should the rules establish requirements that apply to new residences or buildings not yet constructed?
□ Yes
□ Yes, but only for which a building permit has been filed prior to the wind energy system application filing
□ Yes, but only for which a building permit has been filed prior to the wind energy system receiving approval
□ No
44. Should the rules address other future potential (not construction-related) uses of leased properties and non-participating properties?
□ Yes, to address these issues: ______________________________________
□ No
Mitigation – Noise & Shadow Flicker
45. Should the rules require specific mitigation measures when shadow flicker or noise standards are exceeded?
□ Yes, shut down the turbine as needed to prevent exceeding performance standards
□ Yes, other _________________________________________________
□ No
46. When mitigation is required for a residence, what residences qualify for mitigation?
□ All residences
□ Only those in existence when the wind energy system requested approval
□ Only those in existence when the wind energy system received approval
□ Only those in existence when the wind energy system was constructed
□ Other ________________________________________________________
47. Should the rules address potential tax liability of a landowner relating to mitigation measures received by the landowner?
□ Yes, the rules should: _____________________________________
□ No, the rules should not address this
48. Should the rules require wind energy system applications to include a [minimum?] plan for mitigating shadow flicker?
□ Yes
□ No
Mitigation – Signal Interference
49. Should the rules provide a definition of what constitutes “reasonable effort” to mitigate signal interference?
□ Yes, it should be defined as: ________________________________________
□ No
Complaint Resolution
50. Should the Council recommend complaint resolution process best practices?
□ Yes
□ No
51. Should the rules define the types of complaints that will be considered by the entity responsible for complaint resolution?
□ Yes
□ No
52. Should the rules require political subdivisions to establish a complaint resolution procedure pursuant to a protocol to be established by the Public Service Commission?
□ Yes
□ No
53. Should the rules require that a complaint must be resolved within 90 days?
□ Yes
□ No, the rules should not place a hard time limit on complaint resolution
□ No, the rules should impose a different time limit of: ____________________
54. Should the rules require dismissal of complaints if the complaint stems from an activity or condition that is clearly allowed pursuant to the political subdivision’s approval?
□ Yes
□ No
□ Other _________________________________________
55. Should the rules require that complaints be overseen by the political subdivision granting the approval for a wind energy system?
□ Yes
□ No
56. Should the rules require that complaints be handled by the political subdivision in the first instance?
□ Yes, the political subdivision itself should deal with complaints
□ Yes, but if the political subdivision does not have sufficient resources, the developer/owner should be responsible for responding to complaints according to a standardized protocol, and the political subdivision may review complaint records at any time
□ No, the political subdivision should be able to establish a committee to deal with complaints
□ No, the political subdivision should be required to establish a committee to deal with complaints
□ No, complaints should be handled directly by the Public Service Commission with no political subdivision involvement
57. Should the rules clarify the Public Service Commission’s authority to review complaints?
□ Yes, the rules should be clarified regarding: _______________________________
□ No
58. Should the rules clarify how stakeholders will engage in the Public Service Commission’s review of complaints?
□ Yes, stakeholder should be able to: ______________________________
□ No, the draft rules are sufficient on this issue
Property Value Protection Plan
59. Should the Council recommend a property value protection plan as a best practice?
□ Yes
□ No
60. Should the rules require developers to offer a property value protection plan?
□ Yes
□ No
61. If the rules require developers to offer a property value protection plan, what wind energy systems should it apply to?
□ Large wind energy systems
□ Community wind energy systems
□ Small wind energy systems
62. If the rules require developers to offer a property value protection plan, who should it be offered to?
□ Landowners adjacent to turbine host properties
□ Landowners within ______ feet of a turbine
□ Other _______________________________________________
Wind Leases & Easements
63. Should the Council establish a list of items to include in a lease or easement as part of a best practices document?
□ Yes
□ No
64. Should the rules address items that must be included and may not be included in a lease or easement?
□ Yes, with as much detail as possible
□ Yes, for certain limited topics
□ No
65. Should the language in the draft rules requiring the developer, owner and operator of the wind energy system to comply with all federal, state and local laws and regulations applicable to the wind energy system be removed?
□ Yes
□ No
66. Should the language in the draft rules requiring a lease to permit the property owner to terminate the wind lease if the portion of the wind energy system located on the property has not operated for a period of at least 18 months unless the property owner receives the normal minimum payments be removed?
□ Yes
□ No, it should stay as is
□ No, but it should be modified to state: _______________________________________
67. Should the language in the draft rules requiring a lease to specify the circumstances under which the developer, owner or operator of the wind energy system may withhold payments from the property owner be removed?
□ Yes
□ No
68. Should the language in the draft rules requiring a lease to permit the property owner to rescind an executed wind lease within 3 business days of signing the wind lease be removed?
□ Yes
□ No
69. Should the language in the draft rules stating that a lease, except for compensation terms, may not be required to be confidential be removed?
□ Yes
□ No
70. Should the language in the draft rules stating that a lease may not make the property owner liable for any property tax associated with the wind energy system or other equipment related to the production of electricity by the wind energy system be removed?
□ Yes
□ No, it should stay as is
□ No, but it should be modified to state: ____________________________________
71. Should the language in the draft rules stating that a lease may not make the property owner liable for any violation of federal, state or local laws and regulations by the developer, owner or operator of the wind energy system be removed?
□ Yes
□ No
72. Should the language in the draft rules stating that a lease may not make the property owner liable for any damages caused by the wind energy system or the operation of the wind energy system, including liability or damage to the property owner or to third parties be removed?
□ Yes
□ No
73. Should the language in the draft rules stating that a developer, owner or operator may not, as a condition of accepting any benefit to settle a noise, signal interference, stray voltage or shadow flicker mitigation issue, require a property owner to keep the settlement confidential or require the property owner to waive any right to make a future claim about an unrelated issue be removed?
□ Yes
□ No
□ No, but it should be modified to state: _____________________________________
74. Should the rules require the lease to state that a person negotiating or presenting a wind lease or easement on behalf of a developer represents the developer and not the landowner?
□ Yes
□ No
75. Should the rules require the lease to state that the lease is a contract?
□ Yes
□ No
76. Should the rules require the lease to include plans and specifications regarding the specific wind turbine that may be constructed?
□ Yes
□ No
77. Should the rules invalidate any wind lease or easement signed prior to the developer giving general public notice of the planned wind energy system?
□ Yes
□ No
78. If the rules invalidate any lease or easement signed prior to general public notice, should the rules allow a letter of intent to be signed in lieu of a lease [without requiring general public notice first]?
□ Yes
□ No
79. Should the rules require any person negotiating or presenting a wind lease or easement on behalf of a developer to hold a license to conduct real estate activities and be under the supervision of a real estate broker?
□ Yes
□ No
80. Should the rules require any person negotiating or presenting a wind lease or easement on behalf of a developer to hold a real estate broker license?
□ Yes
□ No
81. Should the rules require wind leases and easements to comply with existing precedents and state laws relating to other types of construction?
□ Yes
□ No
Decommissioning
82. For how long should a wind energy system be allowed to stand continuously without operating before decommissioning is required?
□ 18 continuous months, with limited exceptions
□ 24 months, with a rebuttable presumption if the system will be reused
□ Other ______________________________________
83. Should the rules require removal of the turbine foundation and other underground structures?
□ Yes, they should be completely removed
□ Yes, they should be removed to at least four feet below grade
□ Yes, they should be removed to _________________________________
□ No
84. If the rules require removal of below ground improvements, should the rules require wind energy system applications to include plans and estimated costs for excavating and removing the below grade improvements?
□ Yes
□ No
85. To what condition should the rules require restoration of the land upon decommissioning?
□ Pre-construction condition, to the extent feasible
□ The same general topography that existed just prior to construction and with topsoil re-spread over the disturbed areas at a depth similar to that in existence prior to the disturbance. Areas disturbed by the construction of the facility and decommissioning activities must be graded, top-soiled, and re-seeded according to NRCS technical guide recommendations and other agency recommendations, unless the landowner requests in writing that the access roads or other land surface areas be retained.
□ Other _____________________________________
86. What should the rules require developers/owners to provide in terms of financial assurances related to decommissioning?
□ Proof of financial ability to decommission in a form and amount based on a cost estimate by a mutually agreeable third-party
□ Bonds or monies up front to guarantee decommissioning
□ Other _____________________________________
87. Should the language in the draft rule requiring owners of wind energy systems to file a notice upon completion of decommissioning be removed?
□ Yes
□ No
88. Should the rules stipulate penalties if decommissioning requirements are not followed?
□ Yes
□ No
89. If the rules stipulate penalties if decommissioning requirements are not followed, what should these penalties be?
□ Penalties imposed by political subdivision using political subdivision’s general authority
□ Specific financial forfeiture in the amount of ____________
□ Other _____________________________________
90. Should the State assume ultimate responsibility for decommissioning wind energy systems approved by political subdivisions?
□ Yes
□ No
Construction and Operation Standards – General
91. Should the language in the draft rules establishing requirements relating to turbine appearance be removed or modified?
□ Yes, they should be removed
□ Yes, they should be modified
□ No, the language should stay as is
92. If the language in the draft rules establishing requirements relating to turbine appearance should be removed or modified, should the rules require wind turbines to have a neutral finish?
□ Yes
□ No, there should be no requirements about the finish
□ No, there should be a different requirement about the finish _____________________
93. If the language in the draft rules establishing requirements relating to turbine appearance should be removed or modified, should the rules prohibit displaying advertising material or signage on a wind turbine, other than warnings, equipment information or indicia of ownership?
□ Yes
□ No
□ Yes, advertising material and signage on a turbine should be prohibited, but with different/additional exceptions: ____________________________________________
94. If the language in the draft rules establishing requirements relating to turbine appearance should be removed or modified, should the rules prohibit attaching any flag, decorative sign, streamers, pennants, ribbons, spinners, fluttering, or revolving devices except for safety features or wind monitoring devices?
□ Yes
□ No
□ Yes, these should be prohibited, but with different/additional exceptions: ______________
95. Should the rules require the wind energy system owner to provide as-built specifications for the wind energy system?
□ Yes, to the political subdivision granting the approval
□ Yes, to the Public Service Commission
□ Yes, to some other entity: ______________________________________
□ No
Construction and Operation Standards – Emergency Procedures
96. Should the rules set forth default areas of responsibility for emergency services provision at the wind energy system (what is the developer/owner responsible for, what is the local service provider responsible for)?
□ Yes
□ No
97. If the rules set forth default areas of responsibility for emergency services provision at the wind energy system, should the developer/owner be responsible for services starting at the base of the turbine?
□ Yes
□ Yes, and the developer/owner should also be responsible for _____________________
□ No, the developer/owner should only be responsible for ___________________________
98. Should the rules require the applicant to provide a copy of the project summary and site plan to the local emergency services provider, as designated by the political subdivision reviewing the application?
□ Yes
□ No
99. Should the rules require the applicant to cooperate with local emergency services in developing an emergency response plan upon the request [of the political subdivision]?
□ Yes
□ No
100. If the rules require the applicant to cooperate with local emergency services in developing an emergency response plan upon request, what area should this plan cover?
□ The wind energy system
□ The area within ______ feet of the wind energy system
□ Other _________________________________________________________________
Conflict of Interest
101. Should the rules require that no member of the political subdivision reviewing an application, or any of the political subdivision’s involved committees, may derive any personal profit or gain, directly or indirectly, by reason of his or her acting on an application for a wind energy system?
□ Yes
□ No, the rules should not address political subdivision conflicts of interest
□ No, the rules should address conflicts of interests differently: ____________________
102. Should the rules require any member of the political subdivision reviewing an application to disclose to the political subdivision any personal interest that he or she may have in any wind energy system matter pending before the local jurisdiction?
□ Yes
□ No
103. Should the rules require any member of the political subdivision reviewing an application to refrain from participating in any wind energy system matter pending before the local jurisdiction in which the political subdivision member has a personal interest?
□ Yes
□ No
General Notification Requirements
104. What should the general public notification period be for large wind energy systems?
□ 270 days before filing a construction application or 180 days before planned start of construction, whichever is earlier
□ 90 days before filing a construction application
□ 60 days before filing a construction application
□ 30 days before filing a construction application or 60 days before planned start of construction, whichever is earlier
□ Other _________________________________________________
105. What should the notification period be for small wind energy systems?
□ 270 days before filing a construction application or 180 days before planned start of construction, whichever is earlier
□ 90 days before filing a construction application
□ 60 days before filing a construction application
□ 30 days before filing a construction application or the planned start of construction, whichever is earlier
□ Other
106. Should the rules require developers to provide general public notification prior to signing any binding leases or easements?
□ Yes
□ No
107. Should the rules require small wind energy systems to notify only adjacent landowners?
□ Yes
□ No, they should notify the same people as large wind
□ No, they should notify: _______________________________
108. [Regarding the form of notification to be given,] should the rules require notification using “commercially reasonable efforts” only?
□ Yes
□ No
Application Process Requirements
109. Should the rules require that wind energy system applications include plans and specifications for the turbines being built?
□ Yes
□ No
110. Should the rules allow a political subdivision to request only additional information required under the rules?
□ Yes
□ No
111. Should the language in the draft rules allowing political subdivisions to request information in an application pursuant to detailed application filing requirements specified by the Commission be removed?
□ Yes
□ No
112. Should the language in the draft rules allowing political subdivisions to request any other information necessary to understand the proposed wind energy system be removed?
□ Yes
□ No
113. Should the language in the draft rules allowing political subdivisions to request information related to the wind energy system be removed?
□ Yes
□ No
Political Subdivision Process
114. Should the rules prohibit a political subdivision from placing any condition or regulation on a wind energy system except as specifically authorized by the rules?
□ Yes
□ No
Additional questions from Commission staff:
115. Should the rules specify numerical limits on the amount of reasonable fees that a political subdivision can charge?
□ Yes
□ No
116. If the rules specify numerical limits on the amount of reasonable fees that a political subdivision can charge, what should the limits be?
□ Fee capped at 1.0% of estimated wind energy system cost
□ Fee capped at 0.5% of estimated wind energy system cost
□ Fee capped at 0.3% of estimated wind energy system cost
□ Other ____________________________________________
Stray Voltage
117. Should the rules establish required standards for pre-construction and post-construction stray voltage testing?
□ Yes
□ No
118. If the rules establish required standards for pre-construction and post-construction stray voltage testing, what should the rules require?
□ Parties must follow the PSC’s Phase 2 stray voltage protocol
□ Facility should be tested by a licensed engineer before the utility gets involved
□ Utilities should be required to install neutral isolation devices on all transformers serving dairies and other livestock operation.
□ Other __________________________________________________________
119. Should the rules address who (developer/owner v. utility) is responsible for ensuring that required pre-construction and post-construction stray voltage testing is conducted?
□ Yes
□ No
120. Should the rules address who (developer/owner v. utility) is financially responsible for what portions of pre-construction and post-construction stray voltage testing?
□ Yes
□ No
Commission Review
(No amendments suggested)
About this document:
This Straw Proposal Amendment Worksheet was prepared by Commission staff based on written responses to the Straw Proposal of June 9, 2010 that were submitted by Wind Siting Council members as of June 21, 2010, and based on discussions at the Wind Siting Council meetings June 15 and June 21, 2010.
Wind Siting Council members are encouraged to contact Commission staff as soon as possible regarding any errors in or omissions from this Worksheet.
HAVE YOU REACHED OUT AND TOUCHED YOUR PSC TODAY?
The PSC is asking for public comment on the recently approved draft siting rules. The deadline for comment is July 7th, 2010.
The setback recommended in this draft is 1250 feet from non-participating homes, 500 feet from property lines.
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6/24/10 DOUBLE FEATURE: Brown County wants PSC to look more closely into health and safety issues AND Gag me with a contract: Will you accept $15,000 from a wind developer in exchange for your legal right to complain about the ability to use or enjoy your property, nuisance, injury or harm to persons, anxiety, suffering, mental anguish and loss of ability to enjoy life"?
BROWN COUNTY TOWNS URGE MORE STUDY OF WIND FARM SITES
SOURCE: Greenbay Press Gazette
June 24, 2010
The elected officials of three southern Brown County towns will ask the Public Service Commission to take more time to study possible health and safety issues before approving wind turbine siting rules.
Comments from town supervisors and residents in the towns of Morrison, Glenmore and Wrightstown will be delivered to the PSC's Wind Siting Council next week. A joint meeting of the three town boards was held Wednesday.
Meanwhile, the county's Human Services Committee unanimously approved a resolution supporting the Board of Health's recommendations that turbines not be built in areas where the fractured bedrock and thin soil could lead to groundwater contamination. The resolution will be considered by the County Board at its July 21 meeting.
Invenergy LLC, a Chicago-based company, has proposed to build a 100-turbine wind farm in Morrison, Glenmore and Wrightstown. It is waiting to resubmit its application until the guidelines are approved by the PSC.
Supporting Invenergy's plans are those who say sustainable energy must be encouraged.
The Wind Siting Council released a draft of rules in May and is holding meetings statewide to hear public comments.
Glen Schwalbach, a supervisor for Rockland, has been hired by the three towns to present the comments to the PSC. He isn't addressing the Invenergy proposal specifically but wind turbines in general.
Comments from town supervisors and residents in the towns of Morrison, Glenmore and Wrightstown will be delivered to the PSC's Wind Siting Council next week. A joint meeting of the three town boards was held Wednesday.
In his presentation to about 35 area residents Wednesday, Schwalbach cited three major points:
The Human Services Committee spent little time discussing the Board of Health's recommendations before approving it on a voice vote.
Bill Hafs, the county's Land and Water Conservation director, told the committee that the proposed 81 miles of trenching to construct the Ledge Wind farm could impact groundwater in an area where dozens of wells were contaminated in 2006.
The resolution calls for a maximum 30-decibel level outside any occupied structure at night, and construction of turbines at a minimum of 2,640 feet from structures.
"The Board of Supervisors recommends that no wind turbines be constructed in unincorporated areas of Brown County until … wind siting rules are enacted and in force," the resolution concludes.
Invenergy has contracts with several property owners to construct wind turbines on their land, paying about $8,000 per year to the landowners.
Find out more about what's happening in Brown County by visiting the Brown County Citizens for Responsible Renewable Energy website at BCCRWE.COM
SECOND FEATURE
The letter below was submitted by a resident of the Ashtabula wind project to Jerry Lien a staff analyst for the North Dakota Public Service Commission. It details how NextEra (formerly Florida Power and Light Energy) opted to address the problems of noise and shadow flicker caused by the Ashtabula Wind Energy facility.
Wind project residents in Wisconsin have been telling similar stories about what happens when they complain to wind project developer/owners about noise and shadow flicker. Also included here is the contract offered by NextEra to the non participating landowners.
[TO] Jerry Lien
North Dakota Public Service Commission
Greetings Jerry,
I appreciate your attention to this matter of the effects of living next to wind turbines. As was discussed in our phone conversation, Next Era Energy is not offering to repair the damage or fix the problem of the noise and shadow flicker imposed on our home, business and property.
They merely want to pay us to accept it. They say we can use the payment to fix the problem ourselves. In order to receive the payment, we must accept this contract as offered, which I have attached to this letter [below]. This contract, as you can see, is a release for the company to negatively affect us.
Furthermore, this contract has more wording in it about keeping quiet about the whole issue than solving the problem. Also you can see that it will be binding on us and our property in any future issues.
$15,000 as a payment is not going to fix this problem. We did not ask for money from this company but requested a relief to the problem at hand.
Scott Scovill from Next Era, suggested for us to buy trees with the money. Trees will not block the effects because they are not tall enough and may take up to twenty years before they would grow even fifty ft. tall.
One solution we suggested was to turn the offending turbines off only during the time they cause shadows. That suggestion was answered by Scott bluntly saying "we're not shutting them off".
Since then Scott or any other Next Era representative has not returned our phone calls.
Mary Ann and I cannot sign on to a contract of this nature. Our attorney advises against it as well. We are not willing to release to the company our property and enjoyment of our home so they can cause noise, shadow flicker, interference, diminishment of property value and the effects acknowledged in their contracts.
We are now suffering from these problems as a result of the decision to allow this irresponsible siting of wind towers too close to our farm.
By reviewing the project you can see there are about four or five turbines to the east of our farm that are causing blinking shadows up to and hour and a half per day for at least 12 weeks of the year. The shadow effects across the windows of our offices are severely disruptive to our business.
How does the Public Service Commission plan to deal with our issue?
Is this going to be allowed in every wind farm project in the future? Is it going to be allowed that a large out-of-state company negatively impact a local business? Are the residents of this state expected to sell - (quoted from the contract) "the ability to use or enjoy your property, nuisance, injury or harm to persons, anxiety, suffering, mental anguish and loss of ability to enjoy life"?
I would like a response to these questions.
It has been brought to my attention that Next Era representatives have been spreading a lie that we knew this wind farm project was planned before we purchased our property here in Griggs County. This is a false statement and can be proven. We were living on our farm when we were invited to the first meeting of this project.
I request that you make this contract and my letter part of the public record.
Sincerely,
Jim Miller
RELEASE
THIS RELEASE ("Release") is made as of the _____ day of _____________, 2010 by and between Ashtabula Wind II LLC, a Delaware limited liability company ("Company") and __________________________________, ("Owner") (hereinafter collectively the "Parties") upon the terms and conditions set forth below:
RECITALS:
WHEREAS, Owner is the owner of a certain tract of land located in Griggs County, North Dakota legally described on the attached Exhibit A ("Property") and incorporated herein; and
WHEREAS, Company owns and operates the Ashtabula Wind Energy Center ("Wind Farm"), a wind farm which is adjacent to the Property; and
WHEREAS, Owner notified Company that they are experiencing problems with shadow flicker at their residence on the Property.
NOW THEREFORE, in consideration of the mutual promises and agreements set forth herein, the Parties hereby agree, as follows:
The recitals are true and correct and are incorporated in this Release by reference.
Company shall pay to Owner the one-time amount of Fifteen Thousand Dollars ($15,000.00), payable on or before March 31, 2010, for any and all shadow flicker related to the Property, caused or alleged to be caused by the Wind Farm stemming from, related to or attendant to the operation of the Wind Farm by Company, its parent companies, affiliates, successors, assigns, related companies including but not limited to interference with glare, shadow flicker, diminishment of the value of the Property, the ability to use or enjoy the Property, nuisance, and any injury or harm to persons, including but not limited to anxiety, suffering, mental anguish, loss of the ability to enjoy life, or any other harm or wrong, tort, intentional or negligent conduct stemming from, related to or consequent to shadow flicker from the Wind Farm whether claimed or not claimed, including all claims that could have been brought, or which hereafter might be brought by Owner or any of their successors and assigns.
The matters settled and released pursuant to this Release include all matters, claims, causes of action, and disputes of any nature whatsoever within the authority of the Parties (including third-party claims, indemnity claims, contribution claims, direct and derivative claims, and any other claims held in any capacity) whether or not fully accrued, relating to or arising out of the interference on the Property. The foregoing matters described in paragraph 2 are referred to hereinafter in this Release as the "Released Matters."
The Parties, each for itself and its directors, officers, agents, and/or representatives, hereby expressly and unconditionally release and discharge one another, and their respective directors, officers, agents, representatives, employees, agents, successors and/or assigns, from any and all obligation, liability or responsibility arising from or as a result of the Released Matters.
The execution of this Release shall not be construed as an admission by any Party as to the validity or invalidity of any other Party's position with reference to the issues resolved in this Release and neither party shall, directly or indirectly, seek to take or advance any position before any court, agency, or administrative tribunal, predicated in whole or in part on any term or condition of this Release except in connection with an action to enforce this Release or the terms or conditions thereof.
The fact of settlement, the amount, nature of terms of the Release, and this Release are to are to remain strictly, totally and completely confidential and any breach of the terms of this Release shall entitle the non-breaching Party to seek all equitable relief as well as monetary damages from Owner.
The Parties agree not to make any statements, written or verbal, or cause or encourage others to make any statements, written or verbal, that defame, disparage or in any way criticize the personal or business reputation, practices, or conduct of the other party, its employees, directors, and officers.
The Parties acknowledge and agree that this prohibition extends to statements, written or verbal, made to anyone, including but not limited to, the news media, investors, potential investors, any board of directors or advisory board or directors, industry analysts, competitors, strategic partners, vendors, employees (past and present), and clients.
Either Party, if approached, has the right to state "we had an issue and that the issue has been resolved to our satisfaction."
The Release may not be modified or amended except by a written instrument signed by all the Parties hereto.
In the event of litigation arising out of or in connection with the enforcement of this Release or any dispute arising out of this Release, the prevailing party shall be entitled to recover all reasonable attorneys' fees, costs and incidental expenses incurred in connection with such litigation proceeding, including all costs or fees incurred on appeal.
The provisions of this Release shall be governed by North Dakota law.
This Release shall be binding upon the predecessors, heirs, successors, and assigns of each Party.
EXECUTED on the dates appearing below their signatures by the Parties' undersigned officers, duly authorized.
Company:
Ashtabula Wind II LLC,
a Delaware limited liability company
By: ________________________________________
Name: Dean R. Gosselin, Vice President
Date: ________________________________________
Owner: ________________________________________
Name: ________________________________________
Date: ___________________________________
HAVE YOU REACHED OUT AND TOUCHED YOUR PSC TODAY?
The PSC is asking for public comment on the recently approved draft siting rules. The deadline for comment is July 7th, 2010.
The setback recommended in this draft is 1250 feet from non-participating homes, 500 feet from property lines.
CLICK HERE and type in docket number 1-AC-231 to read what's been posted so far.
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6/23/10 Ramming it through: Straw votes to be taken today at Wind Siting Council meeting
WIND SITING COUNCIL MEETING NOTICE
Monday, June 23, 2010, beginning at 1:30 p.m.
Docket 1-AC-231
Public Service Commission of Wisconsin
Flambeau River Conference Room (3rd Floor)
Public Service Commission Building
610 North Whitney Way, Madison, WisconsinAudio or video of the meeting will be broadcast from the PSC Website beginning at 1:30.
CLICK HERE to visit the PSC website, click on the button on the left that says "Live Broadcast". Sometimes the meetings don't begin right on time. The broadcasts begin when the meetings do so keep checking back if you don't hear anything at the appointed start time.
What's on the agenda
1) Welcome/Review of today’s agenda
2) Review and adoption of meeting minutes of June 21, 2010
3) Background information on questions raised by Council regarding the draft rules
a. Commission noise measurement protocol
b. Takings
c. Property value protection plans
4) Amendments to straw proposal for Council’s recommendations to Commission regarding
draft rules
a. Discuss proposed amendments to straw proposal
b. Straw poll regarding proposed amendments to straw proposal
5) Next steps/Discussion of next meeting’s time, place and agenda
6) Adjourn
This meeting is open to the public.
If you have any questions or need special accommodations, please contact Deborah
Erwin at the Public Service Commission of Wisconsin by telephone at (608) 266-3905 or
via e-mail at deborah.erwin@wisconsin.gov.
NOTE FROM THE BPWI RESEARCH NERD:
Better Plan contacted the PSC to ask why today's meeting was not posted on the event calendar until this morning. Notice of open meetings must be given at least 24 hours in advance. We were told the event calendar postings at the PSC website are a courtesy, but not the official posting place for open meetings.
Better Plan is now trying to find out where the official postings can be found.
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6/21/10 Why did the Brown County Board of Health say no to Invenergy's wind project proposal?
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6/21/10 PASSING THE BUCK: Driven from your home by wind turbine noise in a PSC approved wind farm? Who ya gonna call? Not the PSC.
“The PSC has ruled that it won’t do anything to help people who are having problems with wind farms and has basically told them to take their case to civil court”
The former home of Ann and Jason Wirtz now sits abandoned near the Forward Energy Wind Center, which went online in 2008 in Brownsville. (Photo by Dave Wasinger)
CLICK HERE to read about the family who once lived in this home.
PSC REJECTS OAKFIELD FAMILY'S WIND FARM CLAIM
SOURCE: Fond du Lac Reporter, www.fdlreporter.com
June 21, 2010 By Colleen Kottke,
The Public Service Commission of Wisconsin has rejected a complaint filed by an Oakfield family about the Forward Energy Wind Center.
Jason and Ann Wirtz contended that the Forward Energy Wind Center cost them their alpaca-breeding business and created such significant health problems for the family that they were eventually forced out of their home.
PSC Chairman Eric Callisto said the commission is not the proper forum for personal injury claims.
In the claim, the Wirtzes asked the PSC to reopen the Forward Wind Energy Center proceedings to hold a hearing about prior health claims from residents living within the wind farm. The Wirtzes hoped to convince the PSC at a hearing to require Invenergy to compensate the family for prior damages.
The Wisconsin Attorney General’s Office advised the PSC that it cannot do so.
In a 12-page decision released on June 18, the PSC said that according to the Wisconsin Supreme Court, the agency has no legal basis to assert jurisdiction over a lawsuit filed in April by the Wirtz family that claims the wind farm caused them personal injury and diminished their property value.
Disappointment
Madison-based attorney Ed Marion, who represents the Wirtzes, said the decision handed down last week was a disappointment.
“The PSC has ruled that it won’t do anything to help people who are having problems with wind farms and has basically told them to take their case to civil court,” Marion said.
The couple purchased the sprawling farmhouse on County Trunk YY in Dodge County in 1996 and said they poured countless hours and money into remodeling the home and upgrading the property.
Before the wind farm went on line, the Wirtz family made the decision to sell their home and eight-acre property appraised at $320,000. With no buyers, the Wirtzes eventually pulled the home off the market in 2008.
The family argued to the PSC that the noise and vibration from the nearby wind turbines caused sleep deprivation, headaches and other physical ailments. In addition, the Wirtzes said their alpaca-breeding herd was adversely affected.
The Wirtzes abandoned their home last year and moved to Oakfield. The home was sold at a sheriff’s sale in May for $106,740.
Ann Wirtz said she wasn’t “shocked” by the PSC’s decision.
“We’re not sure what we’re going to do right now,” she said. “We’re still exploring input for our legal options.”
While the family could file a lawsuit in civil court, they also have the right to appeal the PSC decision.
WIND SITING COUNCIL MEETING NOTICE
Monday, June 21, 2010, beginning at 1:30 p.m.
Docket 1-AC-231
Public Service Commission of Wisconsin
Flambeau River Conference Room (3rd Floor)
Public Service Commission Building
610 North Whitney Way, Madison, WisconsinAudio or video of the meeting will be broadcast from the PSC Website beginning at 1:30.
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FROM WIND SITING COUNCIL MEMBER, MICHAEL VICKERMAN:
“You can’t stop a project in Wisconsin based on the appearance of these turbines,” [Michael Vickerman] says, “so over the past seven years the opposition has refined its arguments and framed them in the realm of protecting public health and safety. Here, as far as I’m concerned, is where they reveal their antiwind bias.
They allege that they can’t sleep, they suffer from nausea—they express their discomfort in the most hysterical terms, and I think they basically work themselves into a very visceral hatred for wind. I don’t even know if they have a philosophical objection to wind. They’re maybe congenitally unhappy people and they needed to project their fears and anxieties and resentments onto something new that comes into the neighborhood and disrupts things.”
-Chicago Reader, May 14, 2009
Note from the BPWI Research Nerd: For those who have not been following the Wirtz family story, we re-post a story written by Lynda Barry after an interview with Ann and Jason Wirtz in June of 2009 before they moved from their home because of wind turbine noise.
Lynda Barry is a Wisconsin writer who is currently doing research for a book about life in Wisconsin's industrial wind projects.
Interview with Ann and Jason Wirtz
N1157 Hwy YY
Oakfield, WI 53065
Dodge County, Wisconsin
Conducted on the evening of May 2, 2009
WIND TURBINE NOISE FORCES WISCONSIN FAMILY TO ABANDON HOME
TOWN OF OAKFIELD- Ann and Jason Wirtz have a pretty Wisconsin farmhouse near the Town of Oakfield. It’s the kind of place that had people stopping by to ask if the family would consider selling it.
“They’d just pull into our driveway,” says Ann, a mother of four. “There were people who said if we ever decided to sell it, we should call them.”
Although turn-of-the-century house needed a lot of work when they bought it, the Wirtz family didn’t mind. They planned to stay. Both Ann and Jason grew up in the area and wanted to raise their children there.
“I thought we were going to live here for the rest of our lives.” says Ann. “I thought one of our kids was going to live here after us.”
This was before 86 industrial wind turbines went up around their home as part of the Chicago based Invenergy's Forward Energy wind project which began operation in March of 2008. The closest turbine is to the Wirtz home is less than 1300 feet from their door.
“Last night it was whining,” said Ann. “It wasn’t just the whoosh whoosh whoosh or the roaring. It was a high pitched whine. And I don’t just hear them, I can feel them.”
She describes a feeling like a beat in her head, a pulse that matches the turbine’s rhythm. “Last night was really bad,” she said.
She says she knows which nights are going to be loud by which way the turbine blades are facing, and her family dreads the nights when the wind is out of the west. “That’s when they are the loudest.”
Jason said he found out there was a wind farm planned for his area from a neighbor he ran into at the post office. “He asked me if I knew anything about the turbines coming in. I didn’t.” Jason came home and mentioned it to Ann.
“When I first heard about it I wasn’t that alarmed.” says Ann, “People were saying how bad they could be, but I just didn’t believe them at first.”
She assumed the turbines would be sited much further away from her home, unaware of the controversy over the setbacks approved by the Public Service Commission of Wisconsin which allows turbines to be sited close as 1000 feet to the homes of people like the Wirtzes.
“All those orange flags they put in were way back there. I was thinking it wouldn’t be too bad. And then when that access road started coming in so close I said, ‘what the heck is going on?’
Meanwhile, Jason had been attending town meetings and learning more about the project. The more he learned, the more worried he became. Five months before the turbines went up, the Wirtz family decided to sell their house.
They called people who had let them know they’d be interested in buying it. “When they found out about the turbines,” said Ann, “They weren’t interested anymore.”
The Wirtz family prepared the house to put on the market. In November of 2007, the home, sitting on eight acres, was appraised for $320,000. But this once sought-after property could find no buyers. “As soon as people found out about the wind farm coming in,” says Ann. “That was it. And once they started building the roads to the turbines, forget it. They’d ask what that road was for, we’d tell them and we’d never hear from them again.”
After the turbines went up, interested buyers stopped showing up altogether.
“We tried to find another realtor,” said Ann, “They’d ask ‘is it near the wind turbines?’ and when they found out it was, they wouldn’t even bother to come out to the house to look at it. One realtor told me it wasn’t worth her marketing dollars to even list it because if it was in the wind farm she knew she couldn’t sell it. I mean have you ever heard of a real estate agent turning down a chance to sell a house?”
Another realtor said they would have to price it under $200,000 to get anyone to even look at it. “At that price we were going to be $50,000 worse than when we started, “ said Ann. “And that didn’t include the 12 years of work we put into the place.”
But the Wirtzes were increasingly anxious to get away from the turbines. While Jason, who works nights, wasn’t having much trouble with the turbine noise, it was keeping Ann and her children from sleeping well at night. They were tired all the time. They were also getting frequent headaches.
And there was trouble with their animals as well. The Wirtz family raise alpaca and have a breeding herd. Ann says the Alpaca became jumpy the first day the turbines went on line. “Normally they are so calm. But the day the towers started up, they seemed to panic. They were on their back legs right away.”
Ann says the herd had always been docile and healthy, with no breeding problems. Since the wind farm started up, their temperament has changed and none of the females have been able to carry a pregnancy to full term. “ They’re nervous all the time now. I can’t prove anything but I do know my animals. And I really felt something was wrong. All the years we’ve had them we’ve never had a problem.”
At night herd shelters in the large metal shed behind the Wirtz home. When the turbines are loud, Ann says the sound echoes inside the shed and the metal vibrates and hums. “The noise in here gets just unbelievable. When the tin starts to vibrate in here, they can’t stand it. I have to find them a better home. This is torture for them.”
The same turbine noise has driven Ann out of her own bedroom “I can’t stand to be in that room anymore. I don’t sleep at all. My sleep has been terrible.” Instead she sleeps on the couch where a fan on their pellet stove helps counter the turbine noise. “My number one complaint is how tired I am all the time,” says Ann, “I never had that before, ever.”
Says Jason, “We don’t have air conditioning, we didn’t want it and we didn’t need it. In the summer we just opened the windows and let cross breezes cool the house. But the first summer with the turbine noise we had to shut the windows and turn on the fan. We couldn’t stand it.”
After one of the children was recently diagnosed with a severe stress-related illness, the Wirtzes decided they’d had enough. They decided the health of their family was more important than keeping their home, and they are abandoning it.
“Now, after all the trouble we’ve had living here” said Ann, “ If a family showed up and wanted to buy the place and they had kids, I don’t think I could sell it to them. Knowing what I know about living here, I just don’t think I could put another family through this.”
They are now looking for a place in a nearby village. “We were born and raised in the country but we’re thinking of moving to Oakfield because they aren’t going to plop a 400 foot turbine in the middle of the village, says Jason. “And I know I’m going to have to drive by this place every day on my way to work. It’s going to make me sick to see it, but I can’t stay here anymore.”
Ann adds, “I say we move near whoever it is that decides on the setbacks because you know they’ll never have a turbine by their place”
Jason and Ann sit at the dining room table and point out the elaborate woodwork they’d stripped and re-finished by hand. Jason holds a picture of the farmhouse from happier times. Earlier that day they’d met with the people at the bank to let them know they were giving up their home.
Jason says, “At least we’re young enough to start over. My mom, she doesn’t have much money and now she has turbines around her house. She said, ‘This house was my retirement,’ Her and my dad put everything into that house. Now I don’t know what she’s going to do.”
Jason says, “ The quality of life we had here is just gone. I grew up here and I loved it here. But I don’t anymore. ”
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